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« on: May 17, 2009, 06:08:41 AM » |
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For statistics junkies here are the full results giving points, placings and individual country voting not only for the final but for both semi-finals too. FinalFinal ResultsFinal ScoreboardSemi-Final 1Semi-Final 1 ResultsSemi-Final 1 ScoreboardSemi-Final 2Semi-Final 2 ResultsSemi-Final 2 ScoreboardLink to 'Results' shows points and placings. The list can be sorted in different ways by clicking on the column headers. Link to 'Scoreboard' shows exactly how each country placed their ten votes.
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« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2009, 07:18:58 AM » |
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Thanks Minnie.
There are a lot fewer people bleating about "political voting " this year now that Terry Wogan has been moved away from the commentary box.
I predicted three of the top four acts in the other thread and may not have listened to the one I missed. In general, I would say the voting was fair and if there were any 12 vote trades they will be a lot easier to spot this year and the EBU could always ask for audit trails from the phone companies.
Graham Norton did an excellent job commentating. I particularly liked his reference to the person on the stage at the side in the Rumanian entry. Was Elena lip-syncing?
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« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2009, 07:52:24 AM » |
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It was a good final - apart from our effort...
There was still a bit of political voting but on the whole I think it was better... we picked 8 songs out that we really liked or thought would do well - some did do well Norway, Iceland and Turkey but once again others ended up nowhere - Malta, Portugal, Germany - beaten by awful dreary songs like Bosnia and the UK.
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« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2009, 08:29:13 AM » |
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There was still a significant element of political voting, though not nearly as much as there has been in recent years. I can't help wondering what part Alexander's nationality played - the fact that he is not Norwegian at all but comes from Belarus. 
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« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2009, 09:14:11 AM » |
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Could be. But some of the votes were from people who crossed the border to vote. Spain got more than half its votes from Andorra, probably from Spaniards who crossed over the border to vote from phones in the country. Whoever would have such a dastardly idea as to do something like that?
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« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2009, 09:19:51 AM » |
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I've just been looking again at the scoreboard for the first semi-final and there is something rather odd about it! Finland actually came 12th in that semi-final yet they went into the final. FYR Mecedonia came 10th and Montenegro 11th, yet neither of those two countries appeared in the final. I don't recall any mention of this, does anyone?  A quick glance at semi-final 2 shows differences too - Serbia showing 10th, Ireland 11th, Poland 12th - but Croatia in 13th got to the final 
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« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2009, 09:28:47 AM » |
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Good spot. I wonder what the story is.
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« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2009, 03:25:32 PM » |
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The first 9 of the scoreboard (all chosen by the voters) went to the final, number 10 to get to the final was chosen by the judges (not the public voters). In the final the scoring from each contry was 50 percent voters and 50 percent jury.
You can actually read this on the links provided by Minnie; it's at the bottom of each scoreboard.
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« Reply #8 on: May 17, 2009, 03:35:25 PM » |
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Thanks Julia, I missed that bit. It seems a strange way of doing things though and how the jury could possibly have voted for Croatia above Ireland beats me 
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« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2009, 03:43:24 PM » |
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I believe they wanted to make a difference in voting between the semi-finals and the final, which makes sense - I like the idea that the semi-final is just for the public and the final 50/50. Then again I'm sure countries who did not pass the semi finals would say "If the jury had voted on our song we would have gotten through", so they introduced the ide of a "wild card" from the judges. It makes sense to me.
About coratia-ireland, its a bit difficult to compare... I guess the judges are more into traditional stuff? Personally I don't like either song; Croatia is a bit too standard for me but then again the Irish song isn't too special either.
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« Reply #10 on: May 17, 2009, 03:52:19 PM » |
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I like the idea that the semi-final is just for the public
But it isn't. As you pointed out above, the public only get to choose 9 acts from each semi-final and the jury chooses the tenth. It is conceivable (though admittedly unlikely) that the jury choice could be the bottom choice of the voting public. They should make it either 50/50 for both, or all public vote for the semis and 50/50 for the final. The hotch-potch they came up with is ridiculous. Ireland, Poland, Serbia and several others were better than Croatia.
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« Reply #11 on: May 18, 2009, 08:18:26 AM » |
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 :D Thank you Minnie.
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